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Jesuslove
01-04-2008, 12:05 PM
from Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney— bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group—to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.

Huckabee called Bailey's account "totally untrue" and described him as a "bitter" exemployee. "I asked him to resign because he had so alienated the entire state police," he said. "It had nothing to do with my son." Brenda Turner, Huckabee's then chief of staff, and Kevin Crass, the Huckabee family lawyer, also disputed Bailey's account, although both acknowledged talking to him about the dog killing. "I asked him, 'Is it normal for the state police to … investigate something that happened at a Boy Scout camp?' " Turner says. "We wanted the same treatment that anybody else would get." (Animal cruelty in Arkansas is a misdemeanor, not a felony.)

The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment. (In April of this year, he was arrested—and paid a fine—when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.) His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.

rossid
01-04-2008, 12:13 PM
And the bashing continues. Yes, I'll call it bashing, even if you will argue it is true. It may be true but does not affect my opinion of him as a viable person to successfully lead this country as president.

clemsontigers23
01-04-2008, 12:28 PM
Once again, the whole situation is "he said she said." I am NOT going to stop supporting a man for something his SON allegedly did. There are plenty of good people who have kids who have lost their way, so even if this is true that his son did this, it does NOT reflect on Mike Huckabee as a person or a presidential candidate. There have been plenty of situations of bitter employees wanting to get back at their employers so I don't trust this guy who's saying all of this. It's just another attempt to find dirty laundry, as you put it, on a sinner who is going to have some dirty laundry. If you're looking for the perfect candidate, you're never going to find him. At least Mike Huckabee has accepted salvation from Jesus Christ, making him better able to overcome the temptations of politics. He almost gave in and ran negative ads against Romney, but he stayed true to his beliefs and refused to run the ads. So far, Huckabee is the best candidate I've seen, so he's the one I support. If people actually cared about Ron Paul, I'm sure they could find some dirty laundry on him as well. If Ron Paul ever starts surging, you'll start to see accusations made against him too, like the white supremacist thing.

Sam!
01-04-2008, 01:38 PM
Once again, the whole situation is "he said she said." I am NOT going to stop supporting a man for something his SON allegedly did. There are plenty of good people who have kids who have lost their way, so even if this is true that his son did this, it does NOT reflect on Mike Huckabee as a person or a presidential candidate. There have been plenty of situations of bitter employees wanting to get back at their employers so I don't trust this guy who's saying all of this. It's just another attempt to find dirty laundry, as you put it, on a sinner who is going to have some dirty laundry. If you're looking for the perfect candidate, you're never going to find him. At least Mike Huckabee has accepted salvation from Jesus Christ, making him better able to overcome the temptations of politics. He almost gave in and ran negative ads against Romney, but he stayed true to his beliefs and refused to run the ads. So far, Huckabee is the best candidate I've seen, so he's the one I support. If people actually cared about Ron Paul, I'm sure they could find some dirty laundry on him as well. If Ron Paul ever starts surging, you'll start to see accusations made against him too, like the white supremacist thing.
You miss the point. It's not about whether or not his son hung a dog from a tree. If Huckabee pressured government officials to deny a request by investigators to, you know, investigate... that's absolutely corrupt. An elected official should not get to use his or her power to manipulate the legal process for the benefit of his family. Doesn't matter who else DOES do that, it's still not OK.

Jesuslove
01-04-2008, 01:59 PM
You miss the point. It's not about whether or not his son hung a dog from a tree. If Huckabee pressured government officials to deny a request by investigators to, you know, investigate... that's absolutely corrupt. An elected official should not get to use his or her power to manipulate the legal process for the benefit of his family. Doesn't matter who else DOES do that, it's still not OK.

Amen.. that was my point. It seems like Huckabee also influenced the Parole Review Board in the Wayne DuMond case? Both situations seem corrupt. Also, isn't this the same son that was arrested for carrying a gun through security at an airport?

wannabaRSgirl
01-04-2008, 03:38 PM
And you just to have to love a country that puts the life of a dog above that of an unborn child! God Bless the USA, seriously!

clemsontigers23
01-05-2008, 12:44 AM
You miss the point. It's not about whether or not his son hung a dog from a tree. If Huckabee pressured government officials to deny a request by investigators to, you know, investigate... that's absolutely corrupt. An elected official should not get to use his or her power to manipulate the legal process for the benefit of his family. Doesn't matter who else DOES do that, it's still not OK.

I also said that I believe Huckabee when he says it was a bitter employee. I don't believe the employee when he says that the guy who fired him is a corrupt politician. I know better than that.

And you just to have to love a country that puts the life of a dog above that of an unborn child! God Bless the USA, seriously!

Good point. I never even thought of it that way.

Yoshi
01-05-2008, 04:22 AM
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone...

Nuff said.

HotWireD
01-05-2008, 12:33 PM
And you just to have to love a country that puts the life of a dog above that of an unborn child! God Bless the USA, seriously!

It is pretty awful if a dog was killed, but I agree with you - more television and newspaper column inches for a dog than all those children.