No Obama '08

[maui sista]

> http://illinoisreview.typepad.co m/obamawatch/


> THIS DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING INTO. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED, "ONE NATION
> UNDER GOD". ALMIGHTY GOD, NOT THE GOD OF THE KORAN.
>
> It is factual. Check for yourself..
>
> Who is Barack Obama? More yet who and what is Oprah
>
> U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu ,
> Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel ,
> Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas ...
>
> Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii . When Obama was two years
> old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya . His mother then
> married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia . When Obama was 6
> years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM
> school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school.
>
> Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick
> to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic
> school." He does not say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem,
> nor put his hand over his heart when others pledge or sing.
>
> Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's
> introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
> temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after
> the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's
> education.
>
> Lolo Soetoro, the second husb and of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced
> his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta .
>
> Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists
> who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically
> expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United
> States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an
> attempt to downplay his Muslim background ALSO, keep in mind that when he
> was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran
> (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
>
> Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's presidential candidacy. The
> Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what
> better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the
> United States , one of their own!!!! If it comes down to being between him
> or Hillary ... then we REALLY are between a rock and a hard place.
>
> Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!
Am I the only one who has a problem with this guy?

Sonja

[middletree]

Am I the only one who has a problem with this guy?


The one who wrote that alarmist article? Yeah, I have a problem with him.

Check out http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

[Valpo]

strange thread, obama's a christian fyi

[VerbumReale]

strange thread, obama's a christian fyi


Well he's UCC (http://http://www.ucc.org/) or as I refer to them Unitarians Considering Christ. But I guess technically they are a Christian denomination. He's definitely not Muslim.

[maui sista]

strange thread, obama's a christian fyi

Christian? show me where he has EVER said he is a believe of Jesus Christ and
look up the guys background....I watched him on Oprah and I think we are in hot water if we let this guy in.

[Sam!]

Do you only shop at grocery stores owned by Christians, selling goods produced by Christians? Do you watch only TVs shows acted out by Christians, produced by Christians, on networks owned by Christians? We might prefer a Christian leader and might even make that a condition of our vote, but that's a far cry from "this country's in trouble" if Obama wins. His religion neither qualifies nor disqualifies him from governing effectively. Some of our founding fathers weren't Christians either.

[middletree]

And to add what Sam said: Jimmy Carter is a born-again Christian, too. And he had no business being President. Come to think of it, I do not have the qualities to be president, and I am a Christian.

[Andi]

'Tree 2012!

[cheewiee]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317031,00.html

So According to Fox News, "He is known to invoke religious references in his speeches and has said he has a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ. "

So if someone claims a relationship with Christ, then it's a matter between that person and God...

[sandyandporter]

'Tree 2012!

Tree and E will be the ticket!

[sandyandporter]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317031,00.html

So According to Fox News, "He is known to invoke religious references in his speeches and has said he has a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ. "

So if someone claims a relationship with Christ, then it's a matter between that person and God...


Good article, thanks for sharing.

[Evanescence]

Count me in !!!!!

:cool:

Yeah, this makes sense...boycott Obama the "atheist" and gve Hillary the nod...

Give me a break !!!!!!!! It'll be a blessing if he gets the nod...NO Hilldegard in '08 !!!!!!!!!!

[middletree]

'Tree 2012!

I want to make this clear and on the record:

I never inhaled.

[rossid]

Perhaps he is Christian but not evangelical...

[Jesuslove]

strange thread, obama's a christian fyi

yes, but calling him Muslim would help fit the "demonization" profile the author is trying to create.

[sandyandporter]

I want to make this clear and on the record:

I never inhaled.

No but E surely did!!! :D

[clemsontigers23]

The only thing that makes me nervous about Obama's faith is he's part of an Afrocentric church. The pastor has been accused numerous times of using the Gospel of Jesus Christ to promote African American heritage and their statement of beliefs on their official website is a little strange. Obama being part of a church that puts more emphasis on "being black" than Jesus Christ makes me a little nervous. The main thing I have against Obama is his social issues (pro-baby killing, pro-gay) and his incredible lack of knowledge for foreign policy. I don't see how you can be a Christian and support the murder of helpless babies and the joining together of two people of the same sex in marriage which was created by God as being between a man and a woman. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not saying he's not a Christian, but even if he is his beliefs don't line up with mine.

[lilmikey]

Christian? show me where he has EVER said he is a believe of Jesus Christ and
look up the guys background....I watched him on Oprah and I think we are in hot water if we let this guy in.

wow I couldn't have said it better myself

Barrack Bin Ladan Obama is a joke if he thinks he is gonna be president of my country he needs to go blow up a building somewhere:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

all right rant over

Onward

[lilmikey]

I am not kidding in church one day I heard God out of the blue plain as day he said

"If Hillary gets elected she will distroy this nation"

[Valpo]

wow I couldn't have said it better myself

Barrack Bin Ladan Obama is a joke if he thinks he is gonna be president of my country he needs to go blow up a building somewhere:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

all right rant over

Onward

Come on guy, what the heck good does this do?

I do not like a lot about Obama's thoughts concerning politics, and as Clemson pointed out I do not agree much with his afrocentric church...but luckily I am not electing him to be president of my denomination or the pope. I would not vote for Obama in a head to head race with any Republican, with the exception of Alan Keyes, but I would not feel too horrible about him being President if that were to happen. I encourage people to read his book The Audacity of Hope, shows how geuine a guy he is

[Jesuslove]

Come on guy, what the heck good does this do?

I do not like a lot about Obama's thoughts concerning politics, and as Clemson pointed out I do not agree much with his afrocentric church...but luckily I am not electing him to be president of my denomination or the pope.

I have no issue with his belonging to an afrocentric church. Some AA's may argue that we belong to Anglo- or Euro- Centric churches.

[sandyandporter]

Come on guy, what the heck good does this do?


I was going to say the same thing but I've already chastised one person in another thread today. I don't understand why we can't discuss politics without things getting personal. :confused:

[VerbumReale]

Come on guy, what the heck good does this do?

I do not like a lot about Obama's thoughts concerning politics, and as Clemson pointed out I do not agree much with his afrocentric church...but luckily I am not electing him to be president of my denomination or the pope. I would not vote for Obama in a head to head race with any Republican, with the exception of Alan Keyes, but I would not feel too horrible about him being President if that were to happen. I encourage people to read his book The Audacity of Hope, shows how geuine a guy he is

Here here. As I saw Jay Sekulow say on CNN "We're not electing a theologian in chief." Actually I have been thinking about reading Obama's book. A friend of mine has it I will have to borrow it.

[VerbumReale]

wow I couldn't have said it better myself

Barrack Bin Ladan Obama is a joke if he thinks he is gonna be president of my country he needs to go blow up a building somewhere:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

all right rant over

Onward


Please, it has already been well established that not only is he not a Muslim but that he is a Christian, even if he does belong to a very liberal denomination that has become very much influenced ny secular humanism.

Stop with this sort of rhetoric.

[Jason]

Tree and E will be the ticket!

Well, now I know who my opponents will be in four years. ;)

[sandyandporter]

Well, now I know who my opponents will be in four years. ;)

I wouldn't vote for you as dog catcher! :eek: Plus... you'd stink as a dog catcher!;)

[Valpo]

I have no issue with his belonging to an afrocentric church. Some AA's may argue that we belong to Anglo- or Euro- Centric churches.

right I understand that, that wasn't the point of my post though. As far as him being a politician, I have no issue with his affiliation, but theologically, I have a problem with Afrocentric Churches.

[middletree]

Well, now I know who my opponents will be in four years. ;)

Not so fast. I have said I won't run. In the words of LBJ, I will not seek, nor will accept, the nomination for my party as a candidate for President.

[bholdj]

"Hope is the bedrock of this nation; the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have the courage to remake the world as it should be."

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CCqm

yea, lets not vote for Obama, the guy is totally misguided :rolleyes:

That Speech last night was totally awesome. Got me fired up a bit :D

[clemsontigers23]

"Hope is the bedrock of this nation; the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have the courage to remake the world as it should be."

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CCqm

yea, lets not vote for Obama, the guy is totally misguided :rolleyes:

That Speech last night was totally awesome. Got me fired up a bit :D

If he's a Christian, wouldn't he say Jesus Christ is the hope of this nation, not "people"? It doesn't sound like a Christian to say we can remake our destiny. I hated the speech. I thought he sounded arrogant, as did Hillary. To all the so-called political experts saying the Democrats will win because they have more "excitement," we'll see where that excitement is when our economy collapses and none of our domestic companies can compete with foreign countries because their goods are so cheap. Of course, that's not just Democrats, but they're even more supportive of it than Republicans generally speaking.

[Valpo]

Here's a new idea, I think we would all do well to implement it:

No more cheap shots at candidates, even the ones we really do not like. If you're going to make an argument, it had better have some substance, and in this case I would call on the mods to shut this thread down because it is busting on the 8th Commandment which says to not bare false witness against your neighbor. Senator Obama's a Christian and this thread was created to demonize him, and as much as I disagree with him I don't want to see this on our proud Third Day forum

[Healing Oil]

Barrack Bin Ladan Obama is a joke if he thinks he is gonna be president of my country he needs to go blow up a building somewhere:rolleyes: :rolleyes:



That isn't the least bit funny...in fact, it is quite absurd.

As far as who will win this upcoming election, I honestly do not care. This world is going to Hell in a hand basket and I don't believe it will get any better. I'm here to do the job that God has called me to do.

[HotWireD]

I want to make this clear and on the record:

I never inhaled.

No but E surely did!!! :D

Other than fresh air, E gets more than his own fair share of fumes from the exhaust of the saucers hovering (stealthed) over his home. :)

[HotWireD]

Here's a new idea, I think we would all do well to implement it:

No more cheap shots at candidates, even the ones we really do not like. If you're going to make an argument, it had better have some substance, and in this case I would call on the mods to shut this thread down because it is busting on the 8th Commandment which says to not bare false witness against your neighbor. Senator Obama's a Christian and this thread was created to demonize him, and as much as I disagree with him I don't want to see this on our proud Third Day forum

Much agreement with Valpo. Some of the comments made against all the candidates (not just Obama) have been unfounded, second hand from unreliable sources, and hearsay.

I would not be surprised if these rumours originate in the offices of one of his opponents. Rather than standing on their own policies, they manufacture (or dig) up some old information and disemnate it to the press and the internet where it gets picked up by everyone.
It does not matter how accurate the information is, it is not as if it will ever be traced back to the creaters.
When I was at college, the political students used to collect 'dossiers' on their opponents (how much alcohol they consumed, whether then 'inhaled', who they were sleeping with and any other bad behaviour). It did not have to be accurate - 'gossip' would suffice. When I asked one of them what they were doing, he said that they send all the information to 'Party Headquarters', so that if that particular person ever decides to run for office, they could mention the 'muck' they had about them and it would discourage them from standing.

It amazes me how courageous people like George Bush, Ron Paul, Barack Obama (and all the rest) must be to stand for office, knowing that their opponents will use any method, fair or foul, to prevent them reaching their goal. It really is a case of washing your dirty laundry in public.

There is plenty of genuine accurate information and enough comments made by the candidates themselves, to discuss their suitability for running the World's Greatest Superpower without cheap shots.

Senator Obama's a Christian and this thread was created to demonize him, and as much as I disagree with him I don't want to see this on our proud Third Day forum

[Andi]

Here's a new idea, I think we would all do well to implement it:

No more cheap shots at candidates, even the ones we really do not like. If you're going to make an argument, it had better have some substance, and in this case I would call on the mods to shut this thread down because it is busting on the 8th Commandment which says to not bare false witness against your neighbor. Senator Obama's a Christian and this thread was created to demonize him, and as much as I disagree with him I don't want to see this on our proud Third Day forum

Excellent post Matt.

[rossid]

Not so fast. I have said I won't run. In the words of LBJ, I will not seek, nor will accept, the nomination for my party as a candidate for President.

A friend at the caucus asked me if I would entertain having a position in the precinct. I declined and then misquoted this to my daughter: "If nominated I will not run and if elected I will not serve." I do find General Sherman said, "If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." LBJ said almost exactly what you posted.

If he's a Christian, wouldn't he say Jesus Christ is the hope of this nation, not "people"? It doesn't sound like a Christian to say we can remake our destiny. I hated the speech. I thought he sounded arrogant, as did Hillary. To all the so-called political experts saying the Democrats will win because they have more "excitement," we'll see where that excitement is when our economy collapses and none of our domestic companies can compete with foreign countries because their goods are so cheap. Of course, that's not just Democrats, but they're even more supportive of it than Republicans generally speaking.

Yes, humanism, we are in control of our destiny. I think that those opposed to his own statements have valid points to share in this thread.

Here's a new idea, I think we would all do well to implement it:

No more cheap shots at candidates, even the ones we really do not like. If you're going to make an argument, it had better have some substance, and in this case I would call on the mods to shut this thread down because it is busting on the 8th Commandment which says to not bare false witness against your neighbor. Senator Obama's a Christian and this thread was created to demonize him, and as much as I disagree with him I don't want to see this on our proud Third Day forum

Cheap shots should be avoided although they often are not.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/christian

Christian (plural Christians)

1. (Christianity) A believer in Christianity.
2. (Christianity) An individual who seeks to live his or her life according to the principles and values taught by Jesus Christ.

We must not bury our heads in the sand about his faith. Even though he is not theologian in chief others will argue that Huckabee should not be elected BECAUSE he was a preacher. Why can't we discuss how someone with what they consider a nominal faith not be elected?

What he considers are Jesus Christ's values and I consider Jesus Christ's values may differ.

http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

His church's website http://www.tucc.org is not loading. After looking at the denomination I will only say that they do have a clear Christian statement of faith. It is the stance on marriage and alternative lifestyles that many will disagree with.


And what is wrong with single-issue voters? Maybe that is another thread. You can vote for or against a candidate based on whatever reason(s) you want.

[bholdj]

If he's a Christian, wouldn't he say Jesus Christ is the hope of this nation, not "people"? It doesn't sound like a Christian to say we can remake our destiny.

Praise God for copy paste

“[i]f we truly hope to speak to people where they're at - to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own - then as progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse…Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.”

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

Now, he throws Judaism and Islam into that mix, two religions that don't float my cup of tea. But perhaps Obama's policy on faith is not one that supresses Jesus, but asks christians to turn to Him for help on how to make the world better. Is that a bad thing?

It takes courage to be able to say "I can make my life better" or " I can change my destiny" or "I can save the world" (remember, Jesus sweat blood before Calvary) when evreything around you screams that you cannot (th. Are you saying that courage is a non-christian thing to have?

[Valpo]

I actually did a report on the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr. Although I disagree with a lot of Black Liberation Theology, I do tend to admire the social aspect of where they want to reach the down trodden. I just happen to think the methods are subpar. Anyway, if anyone is interested they could PM me for my paper, gives what I think (and apparently what my prof thought as well), a good look at Trinity United Church of Christ, and Rev. Wright's ministry and how he came to the views he has.

Black Theology, although I don't like many aspects of it, is fascinating to study and I would recommend any book by James Cone to try and better understand it before we all beat it down.

So with Obama, I would not vote for him because of his "progressive (liberal)" social views and economic/healthcare views. His theology has nothing to do with why I wouldn't vote for him.

[lilmikey]

Please, it has already been well established that not only is he not a Muslim but that he is a Christian, even if he does belong to a very liberal denomination that has become very much influenced ny secular humanism.

Stop with this sort of rhetoric.

you are right Im sry

[Pouye]

My sis got pinging for posting stuff that Snopes.com says is made up... :D

Live and learn!

I think it is fun reading such political blather and trite. It shows the undercurrent fears of the writers, and the biases that breed those fears. You can actually learn a lot about the critic by how they communicate their criticisms.

For me, Obama is too young, too inexperienced, and to liberal to get my vote. I wish my pastor was on the ballot... I would vote for him, because he is a true leader and has a great heart to bring people together and a huge capacity to love. He also has great leadership skills, including organizational skills, people skills, high IQ, and reads a lot -- including current events, news, and topics. He is also very patriotic, and organizes community events like Celebrate America.
But alas... instead I have to pick from a pool of lesser men with more money. :D

Rock

[clemsontigers23]

Praise God for copy paste

“[i]f we truly hope to speak to people where they're at - to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own - then as progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse…Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.”

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

Now, he throws Judaism and Islam into that mix, two religions that don't float my cup of tea. But perhaps Obama's policy on faith is not one that supresses Jesus, but asks christians to turn to Him for help on how to make the world better. Is that a bad thing?

It takes courage to be able to say "I can make my life better" or " I can change my destiny" or "I can save the world" (remember, Jesus sweat blood before Calvary) when evreything around you screams that you cannot (th. Are you saying that courage is a non-christian thing to have?

Our destiny was set before us by Jesus Christ. We are all destined to live with Him in Paradise for eternity. The question is, will we accept that destiny or run away from it? Humanism is such a huge part of the Democratic party that talking about Jesus Christ would be political suicide for Obama. I rarely ever hear him talking about Jesus Christ unless he's trying to get believers to vote for him. I just think Christ should be a bigger part of his campaign if Christ is truly the ruler of his life. I'm not questioning his faith, I just don't like what I see from his campaign so far. I disagree with his social policies, his lack of attendance at many important meetings of Congress, and his incredible lack of knowledge on foreign policy.