Catholic Bishop calls 911 an "Inside Job"

[Evanescence]

Original link:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArt icle&code=ABB20071129&articleId=7482
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7580


Bishop Richard Williamson, seemingly the most outspoken and controversial bishop of the Society of St. Pius X, asserted in a recent talk that the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were committed "to get the American public to accept the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq," according to a news item by Jack Kenny in the Nov. 15, 2007 issue of The Wanderer .

Bishop Williamson, whose talk was held Nov. 4, 2007 in Bedford, Mass., is quoted as saying:

"Without 9-11, it would have been impossible to attack in Afghanistan or Iraq. The forces inside the United States government and driving the United States government absolutely wanted to attack and destroy Iraq. The destruction wrought upon Iraq is unspeakable. And now the same forces want to do the same thing to Iran . . . They may well be plotting another 9-11."

The news item continues: "Heat from the burning fuel of the planes that flew into the twin towers of the World Trade Center could not have melted the 47 steel columns in each tower, causing them to collapse, he claimed. And a commercial airliner could not have penetrated six of the ten walls that were breached by 'whatever hit the Pentagon,' he said."

What did hit the Pentagon, according to Bishop Williamson?

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Hmmmm......imagine that?

[clemsontigers23]

So because a Catholic bishop says it, it's true? If anything that makes it LESS credible.

[mat1583]

If 40 something people can be convinced to drink kool aid to commit suicide and cover their faces with a purple shroud so that they could go up to a spaceship, it's much less of a surprise that a Catholic Bishop could be convinced that 911 was an inside job.

-washboard

[clemsontigers23]

Not to mention over the past few hundred years the Catholic Church has been one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet.

[Backpacker777]

Here are some evangelical Christian organizations that also believe the US govt. orchestrated the events of 911

Pastor Butch Paugh of Call to Decision Ministries www.calltodecision.com

Dr. Stan Monteith of Radio Liberty Ministries http://www.radioliberty.com/newsletter.htm

David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries www.cuttingedge.org

The Liberty Club www.thelibertyclub.net/user/nob/

Covenant News www.covenantnews.com

Dr. Dennis Cuddy PhD, Born again Christian, Historian and former Reagan admin advisor www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennisA.htm

Brothers Raymond Schwab and Elliot Nesch of Beit Shalom Ministries
www.beitshalomministries. org/

Evangelist David Wegener of Hope for America Ministries www.hopeforamerica.info

to name a few.

[Jesuslove]

Here are some evangelical Christian organizations that also believe the US govt. orchestrated the events of 911

Pastor Butch Paugh of Call to Decision Ministries www.calltodecision.com

Dr. Stan Monteith of Radio Liberty Ministries http://www.radioliberty.com/newsletter.htm

David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries www.cuttingedge.org

The Liberty Club www.thelibertyclub.net/user/nob/

Covenant News www.covenantnews.com

Dr. Dennis Cuddy PhD, Born again Christian, Historian and former Reagan admin advisor www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennisA.htm

Brothers Raymond Schwab and Elliot Nesch of Beit Shalom Ministries
www.beitshalomministries. org/

Evangelist David Wegener of Hope for America Ministries www.hopeforamerica.info

to name a few.

Wait.... you mean evangelical Christians also believe this? Do you realize you are ruining this Catholic bashing thread.....

[Sam!]

Lots of churches have been corrupt. Lots of secular institutions, too. Let's lay off the catholics, okay?

I'm curious to know what the Catholic Church is doing in Iraq to combat this unspeakably devsatating destruction, though.

[Jesuslove]

Lots of churches have been corrupt. Lots of secular institutions, too. Let's lay off the catholics, okay?

I'm curious to know what the Catholic Church is doing in Iraq to combat this unspeakably devsatating destruction, though.

I agree. The Catholic church has done more than any other church to fight for the rights of the unborn.

I'm not sure what the Catholic Church is doing in Iraq, but I have read that a lot of Catholics have fled Iraq, along with their prodestant brethern. The Catholic Church has been very outspoken against the war UNLIKE most prodestant denominations in the US.

[Evanescence]

All these ideas, eyewitness accounts and credible researchers and experts are all coincidence or somehow mistaken....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Valpo]

If 40 something people can be convinced to drink kool aid to commit suicide and cover their faces with a purple shroud so that they could go up to a spaceship, it's much less of a surprise that a Catholic Bishop could be convinced that 911 was an inside job.

-washboard

hahah.....unfortunately it shouldn't be funny

[kiwisongbird]

It concerns me that there appears to be so much strong bad feeling about the Catholic church here... actually freaks me out to 'hear' such (almost) hatred coming through... sure, the Catholic church hasn't been perfect over the years, but come on, neither have us Proddies...

I don't know where the truth is in 9/11 and truly don't think anyone ever will - sadly, some of the conspiracy theories at times tend to ring true - I hope they're not...

I have a theory of my own - there are always three sides to the truth -

This side, that side and the absolute truth which only God knows - perhaps 9/11 is one that only God will ever truly know!

[Pouye]

All these ideas, eyewitness accounts and credible researchers and experts are all coincidence or somehow mistaken....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

A plethora of opinions or positions for or against something does not change what the truth actually is.

There are millions of Muslims who believe the Jewish Holocaust never happened. Some of them are leaders with PH.D's. Does that mean that since there is so many people that have "evidence" that it didn't happen that it, in fact, didn't happen?

Just because there is a body of supposed "evidence" or opinions on one side or other doesn't change the facts.

Here is another example. Thousands, if not millions, think that OJ Simpson murdered his x-wife (Nicole Brown) and her friend, Ronald Goldman. We know that Simpson was acquitted after the lengthy criminal trial, but was later found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman in a civil trial.

There is "evidence" that OJ did it -- and also "evidence" that it could also have been a "hit man", as well. Having "evidence", opinions, testimonies, etc. doesn't change the facts, however. Either he did or did not. Nobody really knows but OJ.

Rock

[Mr.Elwood]

OK..
You win.. it was all a conspiracy and we have all been played like a bunch of suckers.

Now what?
What do we do about it?
Vote for someone else that won’t do something similar while in power? Who is that person?

What is your goal in proving this is all a lie… What is the reality you want to get out of this?

p.s.
The OJ trial would have been over in 10 minutes if someone would’ve asked how a stranger got past that nasty Akita without a scratch.. but I guess expert attorneys don’t think of stuff like that

[Backpacker777]

OK..
You win.. it was all a conspiracy and we have all been played like a bunch of suckers.

Now what?
What do we do about it?
Vote for someone else that won’t do something similar while in power? Who is that person?

What is your goal in proving this is all a lie… What is the reality you want to get out of this?


1) Ron Paul is that person

2) Realize that the globalists are the one orchestrating the acts of terrorism as 'Hegelian Dialectic' or'Problem-Reaction-Solution' crises to coerce the public into giving up their liberties and submitting to the global govt. tracking and control grid.

Here is how it works:

Problem: Terrorism

Reaction: Fear, panic, and hysteria spread in the population. The public begs the govt. to do something to stop the terrorism.

Solution: Government demands that people give up their liberties and submit to a police state in order to 'protect' them from the 'terrorists'.

Thus by creating the 'problem' the globalists are able to get the public to beg for their 'solution', which is what they wanted all along. Since 911 the Patriot Act has passed and so has MSEHPA, HR 6166, and now S1959 is pending which eviserates the Constitution and Bill of Rights and moves America from a Constitutional republic towards a dictatorship, a prerequisite in order to bring down our sovereignty and merge us into one-world govt.

911 was the crisis the globalists needed to get this legislation passed.

Problem-Reaction-Solution has been used throughout history. It is effective and diabolical.

In ancient Rome during a trial the judges always used to ask 'Cui Bono' or 'who benefits' from the crime. Let's ask that question regarding 911. Who benefited from 911? It certainly wasn't the Taliban, Al Quaeda, or Bin Laden as the Taliban were booted out and the training camps scattered.

The biggest beneficiaries of 911 were the CFR/Trilateral globalists in our government and on Wall Street who are bent on bringing down America's sovereignty and creating world govt. 911 put the globalist plan on a fast track and has been the justification behind virtually every move they have made to dismantle our constitutional republic and bring down our sovereignty.

911 and the Bin Laden boogieman is their cure all pretext to get police state legislation through and gain more power and control.

Another benefit for the globalists included the oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to port in Pakistan. In the Summer of '01 Taliban leaders met with government and big oil reps in Texas to negotiate a pipeline. The deal fell through. Three weeks after the bombs began falling in Afghanistan construction of the pipeline began and the US installed Hamed Kharzai (a former employee of Unocal Oil) as their man in Afghanistan.

Coincidence? Hardly.

Then came Iraq. In order to solidify their stranglehold on the people and economies of the world the globalists needed to get hold of the oil resources. Prior to 911 Iraq had been flooding the market with oil and driving prices down. That didn't sit well with the globalists because in order to bring down America's economy and merge us into world government they need to destroy the US economy. NAFTA was a major ingredient in that as it is shipping jobs out of the country and eliminating America's manufacturing base.
However they also need to keep oil prices high in order to bring down the economy, since when oil prices go up everything goes up.

Hence the purpose for the Iraq invasion. They needed to get into Iraq in order to shut the oil spigot off and drive prices back up again. 911 served in part as a pretext for this.

Yes, the globalists are the main beneficiaries of 9/11.

[Valpo]

What did E recruit this guy? Or is it E posting under a different name? Could the mods check and see if they've ever been logged in at the same time? :D

[Evanescence]

What did E recruit this guy? Or is it E posting under a different name? Could the mods check and see if they've ever been logged in at the same time? :D

haha...nice try Valpo. Contrary to popular, simple minded beliefs, people DO know whats going on in their country and world. It isn't just a few people who are in the know.

Nice post packer,...seems like you nailed it, have done your homework and presented it in a way that is understandable.

Now, if people would just open their eyes....:cool:

[Mr.Elwood]

1) Ron Paul is that person


Will he support and defend Israel?

if not, will he sit by and let that region sort itself out?

Will he support minimal human rights for Muslim women around the world? If not than how to we speak for Freedom for all?

Does he, or does he not agree that abortion is murder unless there is medical evidence proving the pregnancy is a terminal issue and that is the only alternative?

and now the easy ones..

Shiites or Sunnis
Serbs or Croats’
China? friend of foe?
Russia? friend or Foe

If we take money out of it, this guy better have a very defined and predicable track record of his actions and personal choices.

Greed makes those who seek it very predictable. That is probably why the majority of Demos and Reps vote they way they do, they know how it affects their version of life in their wallet.

And back to my question: What are YOU going to do now that we all believe you? What do we do from this point forward to hold the criminals accountable. How to we make sure no one perpetrates an event like this again on the American people, and collaterally the world?

Surely it takes more than just Ron… right?

[Jesuslove]

Will he support and defend Israel?

if not, will he sit by and let that region sort itself out?
In my opinion, it is not the responsibility of the US to defend Israel. That being said, Mr. Bush has done very little to advance mid-east relations up until 2007. In fact, when GWB took office, I was surprised by his lack of intervention in the region. Clinton was very outspoken, and personally did a lot to advance peace in the middle east.


Will he support minimal human rights for Muslim women around the world? If not than how to we speak for Freedom for all??

As for Ron Paul's support of Muslim women, I haven't heard GWB speak out against the woman from Saudi Arabiia who was raped and was recently on trial. Yet Hillary did. Have you commended her for her condemnation of the Saudi government?

Does he, or does he not agree that abortion is murder unless there is medical evidence proving the pregnancy is a terminal issue and that is the only alternative?
Ron Paul has been very vocal against abortion. What has GWB done?

and now the easy ones..

Shiites or Sunnis
Serbs or Croats’
China? friend of foe?
Russia? friend or Foe

If we take money out of it, this guy better have a very defined and predicable track record of his actions and personal choices.

Greed makes those who seek it very predictable. That is probably why the majority of Demos and Reps vote they way they do, they know how it affects their version of life in their wallet.

And back to my question: What are YOU going to do now that we all believe you? What do we do from this point forward to hold the criminals accountable. How to we make sure no one perpetrates an event like this again on the American people, and collaterally the world?

Surely it takes more than just Ron… right?

To quote Hillary, it takes a village. Certainly we haven't seen the necessary change under GWB. Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air... a welcome change to the political process.

[Valpo]

haha...nice try Valpo. Contrary to popular, simple minded beliefs, people DO know whats going on in their country and world. It isn't just a few people who are in the know.

Nice post packer,...seems like you nailed it, have done your homework and presented it in a way that is understandable.

Now, if people would just open their eyes....:cool:

haha oh E, must be great to live a life in fantasy world. Hope you find and bring to justice those dirty Jew Lovers in our govt who attacked our own country. Or...wait, that's right, you're not going to do anything about it but sit on the internet and hope to gather a following of about 5 or 6 people who will sit on the internet so you can all troll sites together.

[Mr.Elwood]

In my opinion, it is not the responsibility of the US to defend Israel. That being said, Mr. Bush has done very little to advance mid-east relations up until 2007. In fact, when GWB took office, I was surprised by his lack of intervention in the region. Clinton was very outspoken, and personally did a lot to advance peace in the middle east.




As for Ron Paul's support of Muslim women, I haven't heard GWB speak out against the woman from Saudi Arabiia who was raped and was recently on trial. Yet Hillary did. Have you commended her for her condemnation of the Saudi government?


Ron Paul has been very vocal against abortion. What has GWB done?



To quote Hillary, it takes a village. Certainly we haven't seen the necessary change under GWB. Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air... a welcome change to the political process.

Trying to make me look like I’m a card carrying Republican is a lame defense mechanism. There is no difference between a Democrat and Republican, they just change the way they make money for their friends and how’ll we’ll pay for it.

Obviously you’ve not read my other posts in regard to the Kool-Aid drinking Christians who let this guy off with a free pass simply because he “reads his Bible every night”

Now, back to Ron:
What and where has he done something in his life, consistent with his political views, that changed an obvious wrong and benefited the people?
Where is the resume that shows he is capable of swimming against the tide, alone and unsupported because it’s his core belief, which he made a change we should all know about? Where is the proof he’d be able to work with a hostile Congress and have the backbone to not cave in and become just another deal making politician?

Most importantly, and getting this back to my original question again:
Now that we’ve been provided with enough evidence that clearly shows 9-11 was a scam perpetrated by our Government what do YOU do? How do we change the government so it doesn’t’ happen again and those criminals that did it get punished? While voting for change is a great slogan, unless you have some meat on that bone to back-up your ideas for change, simply regurgitating a Ross Perot campaign isn’t change it’s just lashing out in an anger and frustration. Not bad for sending a message of frustration, but in the long run of reality it does nothing to change the system.

[Jesuslove]

Trying to make me look like I’m a card carrying Republican is a lame defense mechanism. There is no difference between a Democrat and Republican, they just change the way they make money for their friends and how’ll we’ll pay for it.
I don't disagree.


Obviously you’ve not read my other posts in regard to the Kool-Aid drinking Christians who let this guy off with a free pass simply because he “reads his Bible every night.
I agree. I have not trusted GWB from the beginning. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.


Now, back to Ron:
What and where has he done something in his life, consistent with his political views, that changed an obvious wrong and benefited the people?
Where is the resume that shows he is capable of swimming against the tide, alone and unsupported because it’s his core belief, which he made a change we should all know about? Where is the proof he’d be able to work with a hostile Congress and have the backbone to not cave in and become just another deal making politician?
Ron Paul has been an OB/GYN and never performed, or supported a women's choice to have an abortion. That's just one example. When has he swam against the tide? That's exactly what he is doing now. He is the only anti-war Republican. His views often don't mesh with the other Republican candidates.

Most importantly, and getting this back to my original question again:
Now that we’ve been provided with enough evidence that clearly shows 9-11 was a scam perpetrated by our Government what do YOU do? How do we change the government so it doesn’t’ happen again and those criminals that did it get punished? While voting for change is a great slogan, unless you have some meat on that bone to back-up your ideas for change, simply regurgitating a Ross Perot campaign isn’t change it’s just lashing out in an anger and frustration. Not bad for sending a message of frustration, but in the long run of reality it does nothing to change the system.
I don't believe 9/11 was a scam. I believe our government failed to protect us, but I like to believe the government didn't have an active hand in what happened.

What I don't understand is why nothing happened to Saudi Aarbia. The majority of the hikackers were Saudi, yet 9/11 was used as justification to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Evanescence]

This thread was a simple statement...not to try and convince anyone of anything...

What am i doing in regards to the 911 Truth? I speak to people all the time and direct them to study it for themselves. Its amazing how many people know NOTHING about 911 Truth....but when it comes up they all seem to say..."You know, I don't trust our Govt and soemthing about that story just didn't make sense..."

Hmmm....imagine that... :cool:

[hochspeyer]

Not long after the US invaded Iraq, it was reported that two US soldiers were injured by a roadside IED (Improvised Explosive device) which was a chemical weapon (Iraq denied having any of these in its arsenal- i suppose they used up everything they had on their Kurdish population.)

After 10 years of denial, Iraqi terrorists used a chemical weapon against US troops. This proves Iraq (Saddam Hussein) lied- they had chemical weapons. That is enough causus belli for me.

[clemsontigers23]

Not long after the US invaded Iraq, it was reported that two US soldiers were injured by a roadside IED (Improvised Explosive device) which was a chemical weapon (Iraq denied having any of these in its arsenal- i suppose they used up everything they had on their Kurdish population.)

After 10 years of denial, Iraqi terrorists used a chemical weapon against US troops. This proves Iraq (Saddam Hussein) lied- they had chemical weapons. That is enough causus belli for me.

Really? I had not heard this. I'm convinced Saddam either buried them, destroyed them, or sent them elsewhere, like Syria.

[hochspeyer]

It was on the news.

[clemsontigers23]

It was on the news.

I believe you. I think he did have WMD's, no doubt. That's why he kicked the weapons inspectors out.

[Backpacker777]

Not long after the US invaded Iraq, it was reported that two US soldiers were injured by a roadside IED (Improvised Explosive device) which was a chemical weapon (Iraq denied having any of these in its arsenal- i suppose they used up everything they had on their Kurdish population.)

After 10 years of denial, Iraqi terrorists used a chemical weapon against US troops. This proves Iraq (Saddam Hussein) lied- they had chemical weapons. That is enough causus belli for me.

Yes, Saddam did have chemical weapons. The United States gave them to him.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0304p.asp

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/USAibwS.pdf

[clemsontigers23]

Yes, Saddam did have chemical weapons. The United States gave them to him.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0304p.asp

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/USAibwS.pdf

I would respond to this but I'd probably get banned so I'll just quietly back out of this discussion before I say something I'd regret. ;)

[Evanescence]

Its true...I have seent he evidence. Regardless, its not our job to police these rogue nations unless its a DIRECT threat.

Question for Valpo:

For the past 3-6 months, myself and others have posted 100% verifiable, clear and credible evidence of all sorts of evil, corrupt and historical issues involving our Govt and elitists involved in it. With the exception of 911, we've seen a LOT of these issues come to light....in many cases DIRCT from the US Govt thru declassified docs.

You have scoffed at virtually every single thing posted AND have often showed on here and other posts that you seldom read and/or absorb what is posted before you respond....responding sometimes within minutes of the post. How soon before you stop denying and scoffing and start at least admitting the info is correct? This of course not including the 911 CT.

I mean really, EVERYTHING that is posted you deny, try to discredit or deny...even before its posted or you read it. This goes for anyone else.....aren't you guys getting tired of the denial?

I'm a published author and spend hundreds of hours combing thru various articles and websites.....searching for credible sources for these current affairs and issues of the world. My sources are almost always VERY accurate and well researched, yet some of you guys....eps Valpo, deny everything and resort to name calling and mud slinging...like telling someone their crazy or loony, even when the darn info came from the stining US Govt itself...they admitting their ilk.

Maybe YOU'RE crazy for not believing....

Or maybe deeply rooted stubborness has taken over....

Many habits can be broken in 30 days....if you admit it first....

[Backpacker777]

America's utter hypocrisy in this regard is unbelievable. The United States invaded Iraq, in part, because of the alleged WMD threat yet during the invasion and to this day the United States is using a deadly WMD in Iraq.

This WMD is called Depleted Uranium (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1927.cfm)

[Valpo]

Its true...I have seent he evidence. Regardless, its not our job to police these rogue nations unless its a DIRECT threat.

Question for Valpo:

For the past 3-6 months, myself and others have posted 100% verifiable, clear and credible evidence of all sorts of evil, corrupt and historical issues involving our Govt and elitists involved in it. With the exception of 911, we've seen a LOT of these issues come to light....in many cases DIRCT from the US Govt thru declassified docs.

You have scoffed at virtually every single thing posted AND have often showed on here and other posts that you seldom read and/or absorb what is posted before you respond....responding sometimes within minutes of the post. How soon before you stop denying and scoffing and start at least admitting the info is correct? This of course not including the 911 CT.

I mean really, EVERYTHING that is posted you deny, try to discredit or deny...even before its posted or you read it. This goes for anyone else.....aren't you guys getting tired of the denial?

I'm a published author and spend hundreds of hours combing thru various articles and websites.....searching for credible sources for these current affairs and issues of the world. My sources are almost always VERY accurate and well researched, yet some of you guys....eps Valpo, deny everything and resort to name calling and mud slinging...like telling someone their crazy or loony, even when the darn info came from the stining US Govt itself...they admitting their ilk.

Maybe YOU'RE crazy for not believing....

Or maybe deeply rooted stubborness has taken over....

Many habits can be broken in 30 days....if you admit it first....

not sure ive discredited gulf of tonkin and some others, plus you take govt soruces to convey this larger conspiracy that you suppose is happening. You see gulf of tonkin and use that for evidence in the 9/11 CT. Also, the sources I have are very viable as well, so i flat out reject your sources, because ample eyewitnesses have countered what you claim the ones you have found saying and ample families have said they heard from their loved ones minutes before they were murdered and said middle eastern looking men had taken over the planes. Also, although you reject a plane hitting the pentagon, there were people calling from that plane to loved ones who said they were in the washington area and minutes later eyewitnesses said a plane hit the pentagon and these people on this plane just vanished? No, I'm sorry. You see supposed contradictions and inconsistencies and automatically smell CT, I see inconsistencies and recognize people freaking in the heat of the moment and reject those who say no plane hit the pentagon or that flight 93 landed in ohio, because it's utterly absurd in the face of those who said they saw a plane wobbling violently in the air over pennsylvania minutes before it crashed. Plus I find you very hard to take serious when everything 1900 and on that happened to or in this country is part of some greater CT. So that's why, and I feel these threads and the boards have become a wambulence and alarmist, instead of why they were created in the first place: to talk about Jesus Christ as being fans of Third Day. If you want to expose some vast conspiracy go for it, but don't make up that the FBI is following you because you exposing things on a Christian Rock Band fan forum is hardly worrisome to the FBI. You being able to type and promote these ideas are proof to me that this country is still free, because if the govt was really behind this a worried about people finding out or promoting it they would have shut you up/jailed you/ or killed you long ago, and as far as I'm aware neither has happened.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is truth, and in this case it is. Islamic Extremists see us as a godless nation for satan because we do not adhere to strict fundamental islam. Have we made mistakes in our history? Many. Did we supply the "freedom fighters" in afghanistan. Yes. Why? Because suicidal terrorism wasn't the enemy in the 80's Russian Communism was. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? If only our leaders had crystal balls. All they can do is act in the here and now, and that doesn't mean they won't make poor decisions, and that doesn't mean that they may fail, but it also doesn't mean they are evil bastards hell bent on running the world. It is a dangerous and awful mistake to make such a leap. That is why I am against the 9/11 CT and the greater "globalist" CT. Every big event winds up having a CT behind it, ever notice that? Just the way people are, always searching for what isn't there. Also, quite childish to compare drug addictions and the like to what you perceive as a habit of me being stubborn. Sorry I don't see the world as you do. I don't side on either side of fantasy land, be it Conspiracy, or rose colored glasses. I see the world for what it is, wasting away in sin, and evil does exist, and it isn't George Bush. Misguided? Loyal to the wrong people? Mistaken? A valid case could be made for all three, but diabolical idiot/genius who wants to take over the world? Absolutely not.

Jesus said til the end wars and rumors of wars would occur, just a fact of life. I pray we are near the end, because surely this world, conspiracy or not, is a wreck.

Come Lord Jesus

[mat1583]

Valpo, do you provide cliff notes? I don't read many books, especially this late at night. ;)

kidding, kidding. It'll give me a reason to slack come tomorrow morning at work. :)

-washboard

[Evanescence]

not sure ive discredited gulf of tonkin and some others, plus you take govt soruces to convey this larger conspiracy that you suppose is happening. You see gulf of tonkin and use that for evidence in the 9/11 CT. Also, the sources I have are very viable as well, so i flat out reject your sources, because ample eyewitnesses have countered what you claim the ones you have found saying and ample families have said they heard from their loved ones minutes before they were murdered and said middle eastern looking men had taken over the planes. Also, although you reject a plane hitting the pentagon, there were people calling from that plane to loved ones who said they were in the washington area and minutes later eyewitnesses said a plane hit the pentagon and these people on this plane just vanished? No, I'm sorry. You see supposed contradictions and inconsistencies and automatically smell CT, I see inconsistencies and recognize people freaking in the heat of the moment and reject those who say no plane hit the pentagon or that flight 93 landed in ohio, because it's utterly absurd in the face of those who said they saw a plane wobbling violently in the air over pennsylvania minutes before it crashed. Plus I find you very hard to take serious when everything 1900 and on that happened to or in this country is part of some greater CT. So that's why, and I feel these threads and the boards have become a wambulence and alarmist, instead of why they were created in the first place: to talk about Jesus Christ as being fans of Third Day. If you want to expose some vast conspiracy go for it, but don't make up that the FBI is following you because you exposing things on a Christian Rock Band fan forum is hardly worrisome to the FBI. You being able to type and promote these ideas are proof to me that this country is still free, because if the govt was really behind this a worried about people finding out or promoting it they would have shut you up/jailed you/ or killed you long ago, and as far as I'm aware neither has happened.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is truth, and in this case it is. Islamic Extremists see us as a godless nation for satan because we do not adhere to strict fundamental islam. Have we made mistakes in our history? Many. Did we supply the "freedom fighters" in afghanistan. Yes. Why? Because suicidal terrorism wasn't the enemy in the 80's Russian Communism was. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? If only our leaders had crystal balls. All they can do is act in the here and now, and that doesn't mean they won't make poor decisions, and that doesn't mean that they may fail, but it also doesn't mean they are evil bastards hell bent on running the world. It is a dangerous and awful mistake to make such a leap. That is why I am against the 9/11 CT and the greater "globalist" CT. Every big event winds up having a CT behind it, ever notice that? Just the way people are, always searching for what isn't there. Also, quite childish to compare drug addictions and the like to what you perceive as a habit of me being stubborn. Sorry I don't see the world as you do. I don't side on either side of fantasy land, be it Conspiracy, or rose colored glasses. I see the world for what it is, wasting away in sin, and evil does exist, and it isn't George Bush. Misguided? Loyal to the wrong people? Mistaken? A valid case could be made for all three, but diabolical idiot/genius who wants to take over the world? Absolutely not.

Jesus said til the end wars and rumors of wars would occur, just a fact of life. I pray we are near the end, because surely this world, conspiracy or not, is a wreck.

Come Lord Jesus

Valpo, lets back up a second...

I said, 911 CTs...or Conspiracy Probabilty as i call it, aside. THAT cannot be proven or verified. However, you DO scoff and try to call others loony for posting reliable info. I understand and respect that people don't believe in a 911 coverup. Thats not what i'm talking about...

Examples:

1. The North American Union and Amero- I posted this and it was not believed. But, Ron Paul proved it in the Rep debate. Not crazy now is it?

2. The thread about Prescott Bush. Thats common knowledge....but yet you said I was a lunatic and had gone too far.

3. Genocide in Timur. This came right from the US Govt its self...

Many of my sources ARE the US Govt itself. Although they can't be trusted to police themselves...or defend themselves, they DO often admit their ilk...or it leaks out. But, yet soemtimes you even blow that off as a CT theory or no big deal.

My point is this. How soon before you realize we're on YOUR side and educating people about the WORLD...not just the USAs ilk, isn't a bad thing. Esp when most of us believe that we're in the end times. I just hope you will learn to believe me and others more...especially when we supply credible sources. That goes for all of you, my friends.

I'm off.....I have to walk to all my fox traps and have been walking miles and miles in the rain and snow.

PS...the FBI observing was real. Thats all I can say.

[Valpo]

Valpo, lets back up a second...

I said, 911 CTs...or Conspiracy Probabilty as i call it, aside. THAT cannot be proven or verified. However, you DO scoff and try to call others loony for posting reliable info. I understand and respect that people don't believe in a 911 coverup. Thats not what i'm talking about...

Examples:

1. The North American Union and Amero- I posted this and it was not believed. But, Ron Paul proved it in the Rep debate. Not crazy now is it?

2. The thread about Prescott Bush. Thats common knowledge....but yet you said I was a lunatic and had gone too far.

3. Genocide in Timur. This came right from the US Govt its self...

Many of my sources ARE the US Govt itself. Although they can't be trusted to police themselves...or defend themselves, they DO often admit their ilk...or it leaks out. But, yet soemtimes you even blow that off as a CT theory or no big deal.

My point is this. How soon before you realize we're on YOUR side and educating people about the WORLD...not just the USAs ilk, isn't a bad thing. Esp when most of us believe that we're in the end times. I just hope you will learn to believe me and others more...especially when we supply credible sources. That goes for all of you, my friends.

I'm off.....I have to walk to all my fox traps and have been walking miles and miles in the rain and snow.

PS...the FBI observing was real. Thats all I can say.

Get over the FBI following you man, I know people far loonier than you who have never been observed by the FBI, you're looking to validate your police state theory.

I said you went too far in making WWII a conspiracy theory and that the govt was in on the pearl harbor attack and going to war with germany was a crock because our govt did business with them. Supposing Prescott Bush did business with them means absolutely nothing and sniffs nothing of a conspiracy theory. Business relations occurred before the war and probably because of those contracts continued for some time. But to take those facts and turn it into a wide conspiracy theory is what you do with every bit of information you come across. I also do not see Globalization necessarily as a satanic evil either, i think it can be used for good. What with the internet, everyone is connected anyway nowadays so may as well be good global citizens. We're in too deep, let's make it work.

[Evanescence]

Get over the FBI following you man, I know people far loonier than you who have never been observed by the FBI, you're looking to validate your police state theory.

I said you went too far in making WWII a conspiracy theory and that the govt was in on the pearl harbor attack and going to war with germany was a crock because our govt did business with them. Supposing Prescott Bush did business with them means absolutely nothing and sniffs nothing of a conspiracy theory. Business relations occurred before the war and probably because of those contracts continued for some time. But to take those facts and turn it into a wide conspiracy theory is what you do with every bit of information you come across. I also do not see Globalization necessarily as a satanic evil either, i think it can be used for good. What with the internet, everyone is connected anyway nowadays so may as well be good global citizens. We're in too deep, let's make it work.

I NEVER said anything about a CT in regards to Prescott Bush and Pearl Harbor. Find it and post it.....

I'll place a $1,000.00 bounty if you or anyone can. The PB postb was simply showing the connection between the Rockfellers and Bush.....and the facts with his dealings. Nothing more. You ASSUMED a CT.

let me know who to make the check out to....

I'm sure it will help with tuition...lol......