Fred Thompson Says Don't Criminalize Abortion on Meet the Press

[Backpacker777]

http://www.lefemineforlife.blogs pot.com/


Pro-Abort Fred Thompson says don't criminalize abortion on NBC's "Meet the Press," 11/4/07

Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson does NOT support the Republican Party platform, and does NOT support banning all abortions:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21623208/page/3/

NBC's TIM RUSSERT: 'This is the 2004 Republican Party platform, and here it is: "We say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution," "we endorse legislation to make it clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions." Could you run as a candidate on that platform, promising a human life amendment banning all abortions ?'

FRED THOMPSON: 'No.'


Fred Thompson is NOT Pro-Life !!!

November 4, 2007 "Meet the Press" interview continued...


Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson does NOT support making the act of murdering a pre-birth human child a crime !!!
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21623208/page/4/

NBC's TIM RUSSERT: 'Let me finish, because this is important. You're for allowing states to have pro-abortion rights, and you yourself, and I have 10 different statements from you, say that you would not ban abortion, it's a woman's right, and you would not ban it in the first trimester.'

FRED THOMPSON: ' ... I do not think it is a wise thing to criminalize young girls and perhaps their parents as aiders and abettors or perhaps their family physician. And that's what you're talking about. It's not a sense of the Senate. You're talking about potential criminal law.'


That's right Mr. Thompson, the Biblical, Constitutional Pro-Life position is to ESTABLISH JUSTICE for pre-birth human beings in the same manner as post-birth human beings ! That means making pre-birth child-murder a crime. A pre-born baby is a PERSON whose life deserves to be protected in law like any other human PERSON !

Fred Thompson does not want to make it a crime ...
1) For a pregnant woman to murder her child...
2) For a pregnant teenager's parents to pressure or pay for their daughter to murder her child, or, EVEN...
3) FOR THE ABORTIONIST TO DIRECTLY COMMIT THE ACT OF MURDERING A CHILD !!!


Fred Thompson is NOT Pro-Life !!!

This public, nationally televised admission by Republican presidential candidate Thompson to denying the humanity and legal personhood of pre-birth human beings in the November 4, 2007 "Meet the Press" interview is consistent with a similar admission by Fred Thompson made on June 5, 2007 on FOX News with Sean Hannity:

Fred Thompson NOT Pro-Life, June 5, 2007, on FOX News with Sean Hannity:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbn9M8MJIuI&mode=related&search=
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQxoXD-scw&mode=related&search=

"I would not be and never have been for a law that says, on the state level, if I were back in Tennessee voting on this, for example, that, if they chose to criminalize a young woman, ..."
[emphasis added]


Murder of a pre-birth child not a criminal act ?

Take notice pro-lifers around America !!!

Fred Thompson is NOT Pro-Life.

Don't be confused by the repeated misleading statements by GOP candidate Fred Thompson about his greatly overrated "100% voting record" in the US Senate for a variety of abortion-regulation legislation that did not even come close to banning abortion in America.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071113/ap_on_el_pr/thompson_endorsement
Thompson to be endorsed by Right to Life
Mon Nov 12, 7:35 PM ET
Fred Thompson: "I've had a 100 percent pro-life voting record in the United States Senate."

There have been bills in the US House for over a decade (since 1995) that would have been banned abortion in America if passed; but Fred Thompson is not talking about that kind of abortion-ending legislation, but rather, the type of incrementalist, abortion-regulating, abortion-perpetuating legislation that pro-life careerists like National Right to "Life" [sic] is known for, even as they oppose Biblically-based, Constitutionally-based, abortion-ending legislation.

[See current US House bill, HR 2597 at http://thomas.loc.gov for a federal bill that would recognize the legal personhood of all pre-birth human beings, and would strip appellate jurisdiction from the US Supreme Court (as Congress is authorized to do in Article III., Section 2. of the US Constitution), so that the bill could not lawfully be overturned.]

And don't be confused by the treacherous betrayal by the abortion-regulation incrementalists at National Right to "Life," in violation of their fiduciary trust as a so-called "pro-life" organization, by their endorsement of Pro-Abort Fred Thompson.

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007/on-national-right-to-life-endorsement/
On National Right to Life Endorsement
November 13th, 2007

http://thestatecom.typepad.com/ygatoday/2007/11/right-to-life-g.html
Right to Life group supports Thompson
13 November 2007

Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson has picked up the endorsement of the National Right to Life Committee, an anti-abortion [sic; the NRLC is NOT Pro-Life !] group that also donates to candidates that share its views.

"Our endorsement is a testament to Senator Thompson's long-standing pro-life record, his commitment to unborn children, and our belief in his ability to win," said Wanda Franz, president of the group.

National Right to Life has been long been one of the biggest hindrances and obstacles around the country to Establishing Justice by establishing legal personhood, and thereby ENDING ABORTION IN AMERICA !


National Right To Life: The Judas Of The Preborn
By Dr. Patrick Johnston ; The Covenant News ~ July 10, 2006
www.covenantnews.com/johnston060708.htm
www.christianlifeandliber ty.net/H3213-S111-159.doc


Anti-abortion constitutional amendment petition falls short in Michigan
National Right to Life does it again - this time in Michigan...
Right to Life of Michigan did not support the petition drive to ban abortion in Michigan by a state constitutional amendment, and neither did the Michigan Catholic Conference.
www.christianlifeandliber ty.net/H3213-S111-160.doc


SC's National RTL chapter not supporting RTL Act of SC
- Is SC Citizens for Life really "Pro-Life" ? (flyer for distribution included)
- South Carolina Citizens for Life (SCCL) is the SC state chapter of National Right to Life (NRL). SCCL is based in Columbia, SC.
- As National Right to Life and their chapters have done in other states as well, the SC chapter has thus far refused to support, and even opposed, the passage of the Right to Life Act of SC, SC's principled "no exceptions" Abortion Ban bill.
www.christianlifeandliber ty.net/RTLAofSC-07-12.doc

[clemsontigers23]

He said in the CNN/YouTube debate that he WOULD make it illegal and that he would charge the doctors instead of the woman. Another man who says one thing then says something completely different. There is no hope for the Republican Party, except Ron Paul and maybe Huckabee.

[Valpo]

There is no hope for the Republican Party, except Ron Paul and maybe Huckabee.

don't forget mccain ... :D

[Jake]

And the only one out of those three I can remotely stand is Huckabee.

[clemsontigers23]

don't forget mccain ... :D

Maybe McCain...I still haven't gotten over his calling evangelicals "agents of intolerance."

[Valpo]

Maybe McCain...I still haven't gotten over his calling evangelicals "agents of intolerance."

specifically the robertson/fallwell ilk

[clemsontigers23]

specifically the robertson/fallwell ilk

He singled them out as examples, but still spoke out against the entire religious right, which is a big no-no when running on the republican ticket. He did it to cater to independents, Democrats, and Catholics, which is despicable and makes me question his idea of "straight talk."

[mat1583]

Maybe McCain...I still haven't gotten over his calling evangelicals "agents of intolerance."

RP is all about religious freedom. And delivers thousands of babies ;)

-washboard

[clemsontigers23]

RP is all about religious freedom. And delivers thousands of babies ;)

-washboard

Yeah ;) , well, RP seems like the best bet at this point, though I'm not as offended by Huckabee as most here.

[VerbumReale]

He singled them out as examples, but still spoke out against the entire religious right, which is a big no-no when running on the republican ticket. He did it to cater to independents, Democrats, and Catholics, which is despicable and makes me question his idea of "straight talk."


Would it have been ok if he had singled out religious moderates or mainline Protestants?? Shouldn't baseless generalizations always be a "non-no?"

[clemsontigers23]

Would it have been ok if he had singled out religious moderates or mainline Protestants?? Shouldn't baseless generalizations always be a "non-no?"

No, it wouldn't have been okay. Yes, they should always be a "no-no." Where did I say otherwise?

[Sam!]

... and?

Abortion has been legal for how long? We've had pro-live presidents, what has it accomplished? What's going to change under a pro-choice president?

I'm not saying Thompson is the best choice, just that there is only so much any one person in any one branch of the government can do. I mean righ tnow we have a pro-life president and a pro-life supreme court justice. Killing the unborn is still legal.

[Evanescence]

... and?

Abortion has been legal for how long? We've had pro-live presidents, what has it accomplished? What's going to change under a pro-choice president?

I'm not saying Thompson is the best choice, just that there is only so much any one person in any one branch of the government can do. I mean righ tnow we have a pro-life president and a pro-life supreme court justice. Killing the unborn is still legal.

I agree and we can't let the rest of the country falter just because one issue...

Abortion will likley never be illegal...its basically socially acceptable and so integrated that over turning it might cause a BIGGER problem than the evil it is. I think all mothers and abortionists should be charged with murder but if its seriously upsets the balance in the country...and creates a bigger problem, it may not be worth it.

At least we know where he stands...

[Backpacker777]

Bush is pro life?


Bush budgetet more for Planned Parenthood than Clinton (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushtitle10.html)

Bush supported over the counter sales of the plan B abortifacient pill (http://www.covenantnews.com/blog/archives/023822.html)

[rossid]

I did not listen to the Baldwin link but my understanding is he is not involved in any official capacity that would make him in expert in government expenditures.

[Backpacker777]

This article was put out by the Constitution party and Baldwin posted it on his site.

You don't have to be an 'expert in govt. expenditures'. All you need is simple math.

Bush budgeted 288 million for Title X (the funding source for Planned Parenthood)

and Clinton budgeted 254 million. This isn't rocket science.

Excerpts:

I'm sure many of you have seen this, but at the bottom of this message is a press release containing some real, hard evidence that not only has our Republican, "pro-life" president betrayed his pro-life constituency ( and the unborn babies) by increasing the tax money used to fund America's largest abortion provider -- Planned Parenthood -- for the fifth consecutive year, but Mississippi's "pro-life", Republican Congressional delegation was an accessory to this crime against God & man. ** See press release below for more details and facts **

1) Pres. Bush, in the third debate last fall, stated that abortions had not and would not be paid for with taxpayer money. The FACT is that indirect funding of child-killing ( taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood and others ) was increased every year during Bush's first term . In 2001 more was given than in any budget during pro-abort Bill Clinton's eight years. The country's largest abortion provider was given over A BILLION DOLLARS during the first four years of solid "pro-life", conservative Republican rule. Funding was increased again this year -- to nearly $ 300 million

This means : a) Pres. Bush lied; or b) he has, for five consecutive years, signed over millions and billions of dollars confiscated from his pro-life constituency to a massive anti-Christ, child killing organisation without knowing what was in the budget. There are no other options.

2) The Republican controlled Congress & Senate, once again voted overwhelmingly for this bill. Before you try to blame Democrats a large majority of Republican members of both houses voted for this for this increase -- see exact numbers below. ( in fact, more Democrats voted against expanding the Federal Budget -- for whatever reason -- than Republicans).
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4) Hypocrisy from Pro-Life "Leadership" : When the Clinton Administration gave money to Planned Parenthood the leadership of the Religious Right howled. Had Kerry won and the Democrats gained control of Congress and increased Federal Funding for abortion, you can bet the airwaves, mail outs, and e-mail list of these folks would have been white hot with fundraising efforts ( err, I mean "Alerts"). When Bush and the GOP do it we get silence -- save for the cheerleading we get when the "culture of life" is mentioned in a speech. Of course, if blaspheming Christ by repeatedly saying Christians and Muslims worship "the same god"; claiming American was built on "the Koran"; and having the most pro-Sodomite Administration in history does not make these folks stop gushing, I don't know why I would expect yet another funding increase for baby-killing to do so . . . at least we have a "place at the table".

......................... .........
"The hottest fires of hell are reserved for those who remain silent in times of moral crisis" -- Edmund Burke NEWS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

February 08, 2005

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c108:4:./temp/~c108P1Tz79:e7976:

Bush Signs Title X Funding Increase for 2005 Planned Parenthood's Abortion Funding Increased

President George W. Bush and the Republican-majority Congress Increased Title X to record $288.3 million in FY 2005 on 12/8/04

Title X is one of two major federal government funding sources for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the nation's largest chain of abortion centers (murdering over 244,000 unborn human beings per year by surgical abortion alone).

Title X appropriation for FY 2005 (Oct. 2004 to Sept. 2005) was signed into law as part of H.R. 4818 (see bill at http://thomas.loc.gov), the mammoth appropriations bill which contained the huge outlays for the (unconstitutional) Department of Health and Human Services.

Republican-majority U.S. House approved H.R. 4818 by a vote of 344 to 51, on November 20, 2004 (Roll Call Number: 542). [Republicans 183 Yea, 27 Nay; Democrats 160 Yea, 24 Nay; 1 Independent Yea]

Republican-majority U.S. Senate approved H.R. 4818 by a vote of 65 to 30, on November 20, 2004 (Record Vote Number: 215) [Republicans 42 Yea, 6 Nay; Democrats 23 Yea, 23 Nay; 1 Independent Nay]

Republican President signed H.R. 4818 into law, authorizing the highest ever spending level for Title X in the history of the program, on December 8, 2004. It became Public Law No. 108-447.

This FY 2005 Bush administration Title X funding level of $288 million (an estimated $50-$60 million of which will be paid to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, for population control), exceeds by over $30 million, the highest Title X level during the Clinton administration, in FY 2001, of $254 million!

Note:

The Title X program includes funding for contraceptive birth control; birth control that causes chemical abortions; and birth control for unmarried adolescents, even if their parents object to the federal government giving their children hormonal drugs and devices with which to fornicate.

The Title X program is also one of the principal federal government funding mechanisms for Planned Parenthood Federation of America (founded by Margaret Sanger), the nation's largest chain of child-murder-by-abortion centers.

Information on Title X: http://opa.osophs.dhhs.gov/titlex/ofp.html

[rossid]

I only looked at the last link. Fiscal 2007 was under a Democratic Congress and Senate. I am upset that he appears to have signed such a bill. I still stand by him as a man of faith and life.

[Backpacker777]

I would like to encourage you to research Repent America's website:

www.bushrevealed.com

[rossid]

Oh, the discussion boards won't come up! :confused:

[Sam!]

What else does Title X fund?

[Backpacker777]

The Title X program includes funding for contraceptive birth control; birth control that causes chemical abortions; and birth control for unmarried adolescents, even if their parents object to the federal government giving their children hormonal drugs and devices with which to fornicate

[Sam!]

I asked what it funded - once again you only list a subset of its programs. Which limits your credibility.

Which is sad, because while Title X is not used exclusively for those programs over 90% of its funds are directed toward "family planning" and therefore programs like Planned Parenthood. But when distort the facts to make your case better and present just the convenient part of the facts to "prove" your point then you end up looking like you have something to hide.

Theoretically, an increase in the Title X budget does not necessitate an increase in PP budget, but probably did in this case based on what Title X is for.