Obama..No Hand Over Heart

[maui sista]

http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/10/2007-10-01Time-Obama3.jpg



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/20/obama-no-hand-heart-pledge-either-will-msm-notice


Thought this was odd....what do you guys think?

Sonja

[rossid]

I teach my kids to put their hand over their heart. A lot of people don't. An adult that grew up in Obama's generation knows how to show respect. He may have made an honest mistake or he may have done it intentionally.

[Evanescence]

The gesture he is making with his hands is a secret sign from the Ancient Order of Croaking Frogs Secret Society based out of Tuki-Tuki, New Mexico. They have frog leg rituals every year and dance to give worship to the frog God of Zorpheus...

Its disgusting....http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


http://planetsmilies.net/party-smiley-551.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

[sandyandporter]

The gesture he is making with his hands is a secret sign from the Ancient Order of Croaking Frogs Secret Society based out of Tuki-Tuki, New Mexico. They have frog leg rituals every year and dance to give worship to the frog God of Zorpheus...

Its disgusting....http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


http://planetsmilies.net/party-smiley-551.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

ROFL!!!

[clemsontigers23]

It wouldn't be as big of a deal if he hadn't done something like this before...sorry, but I want my president to show a little more respect for his country. This had to be intentional.

[SmileyFreak1981]

All etiquette I have read regarding the National Anthem only requires standing in reverence. There is nothing which states that one must put their hand on their heart, though many do, myself included. I don't find this to be that big of a deal, quite frankly.

I would think, though, that someone running for President would want to make themselves look as patriotic as possible...

[hizprop]

I don't think it's neccesary to put your hand over your heart...... I don't......
being a military brat for 19 years, I have total respect and pride in my country....
but my heart is devoted to MY Savior, not my country.......

and besides, why is he getting flack for his actions or non-action..........
I have been to plenty of ball games, school assemblys, etc.........
how many people don't even face the flag during the pledge or national anthem ??
walk, whisper, don't remove caps, talk on cell, chewing gum are all signs of disrespect as far as I am concerned...........and I've seen all these things happen and others as well.....
and not just by kids (under18yrs) but by adults of ALL ages.........
so why are we getting onto obama for this, when some of us show disrespect in other ways.........

making yourself "look" patriotic and BEING patriotic are 2 different things...........or at least I think they are...........


and thats my 2cents worth...........
:cool:


I just saw the original video of this and just wanted to add.........
the SEVEN people on the stage w/Obama didn't even sing with the performer, does this mean they don't know the words?
just my thoughts........

[Pouye]

Is it just me, or am I justified in saying that pretty much all I see in this picture is a punk kid standing next to three stuff-shirts?

None of these folks photograph very well. ;)

About the no hand over heart, what is important is that he looks dorky with his hands in the "fig leaf" pose. :D

Rock

[Evanescence]

Is it just me, or am I justified in saying that pretty much all I see in this picture is a punk kid standing next to three stuff-shirts?

None of these folks photograph very well. ;)

About the no hand over heart, what is important is that he looks dorky with his hands in the "fig leaf" pose. :D

Rock

Welcome back POUYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[3D NC fan]

Here's a link to the story on www.snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

[middletree]

One of the things I hate the most about election year is the fakeness. The kissing of babies, the pandering to whatever labor union or church group that they happen to be talking to, etc. I don't agree with Obama on a lot of issues, but I applaud him for being his own man, and not pandering. And shame on whoever sent the first email to alert the citizens of our country to this horrible action by Obama. That kind of self-righteousness is exactly what draws candidates to the kind of pandering that ruins campaigns.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Ron Paul doesn't put his hand on his heart while the Anthem is played either. Heck, he doesn't even stand up. He levitates!

[sandyandporter]

Ron Paul doesn't put his hand on his heart while the Anthem is played either. Heck, he doesn't even stand up. He levitates!

Is that because gravity fears him?

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Is that because gravity fears him?

Nope!

It's because the constitution grants him the freedom to do so!

[sandyandporter]

Nope!

It's because the constitution grants him the freedom to do so!

levitate? ;)

[3D NC fan]

Here's an update to this story:

How Barack Obama Broke the Law
Do you really need to put your hand on your heart during the national anthem?
By Torie Bosch
Posted Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2007, at 4:24 PM ET
Some conservative bloggers are furious about a photo showing Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama without his hand on his heart during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner." Obama has countered that the photo was taken during the national anthem, not the Pledge of Allegiance—so he didn't have to. Is that true?

No. According to U.S. law, a civilian like Obama is supposed to stand up when the anthem is played, take off his hat, face the flag, and put his right hand over his heart. Members of the military can keep their hats on and salute instead of placing their hands on their hearts.

The rules of conduct regarding the anthem, the pledge, and the American flag weren't always a matter of law. At first, they were just tradition. "The Star-Spangled Banner" lyrics were originally written during the War of 1812. Later in the 19th century, the Army and Navy both began to use it during ceremonies, but it only became the congressionally recognized national anthem in 1931. Meanwhile, the Pledge of Allegiance was first used in public schools in 1892 to celebrate Columbus Day and only made it into the law books in the 1940s.

Specific customs for listening to the anthem or reciting the pledge were also slow to develop. The National Flag Conference, an organization made up of representatives from the armed forces and civilian organizations, created a guide to flag etiquette in 1923. But it wasn't until June of 1942, when America was fighting World War II, that Congress made this "Flag Code" official.

[middletree]

Is there a reference to which US Law, specifically?

I cannot imagine that such a law, if it exists, would pass any challenges presented by lawsuits. Freedom of speech includes the right to not speak, or in this case, the right to not do anything. I hope that any such law doesn't exist.

[3D NC fan]

I edited the post, so here are the remaining paragraphs discussing the flag code:

In its original form, the code called for a "Bellamy salute" during the Pledge of Allegiance. The salute was named after Francis Bellamy, who wrote the pledge and published it in Youth's Companion, a family magazine. Bellamy instructed people reciting the pledge to start with their hands on their hearts and then—at the words "to my flag" (later changed to "to the flag of the United States of America")—straighten their arms in a military salute. But in the late 1930s, the salute became controversial as people began to realize that this gesture looked quite similar to the arm movement favored by the Nazis. Schools in New York, New Jersey, and elsewhere began to alter the salute, and in late 1942, it was eliminated from the code in favor of keeping the hand on the heart, as we do today. (Some groups, like the Daughters of the American Revolution, were initially resistant to the change from the Bellamy salute.)

So, does this mean that it's against the law to sit down for "The Star-Spangled Banner" at a baseball game? Technically, but you won't get in trouble. Though the procedure for listening to the national anthem is spelled out in the U.S. Code, you can't be punished for breaking the rules. That would likely be considered a violation of the First Amendment. For instance, the Supreme Court ruled that Jehovah's Witnesses had the right to skip the pledge.

[hochspeyer]

All he really did was disrespect the flag. I do not believe there is any law which proscribes what the correct behavior is.

However, as a member of Congress, his stature, to me as a veteran, is the equivalent of sticking his middle finger up during the anthem. (and for those who have a problem with respecting the state ... God establishes them, I believe.)

[maui sista]

Is it just me, or am I justified in saying that pretty much all I see in this picture is a punk kid standing next to three stuff-shirts?

None of these folks photograph very well. ;)

About the no hand over heart, what is important is that he looks dorky with his hands in the "fig leaf" pose. :D

Rock

Welcome back brother!
And yes I agree they all look like a bunch of weebalows (young boyscouts) that are waiting for the end of the speech so they can go have a snack(;

love ya

[Pouye]

Welcome back brother!
And yes I agree they all look like a bunch of weebalows (young boyscouts) that are waiting for the end of the speech so they can go have a snack(;

love ya

I think it is spelled Webelos (stands for We'll Be Loyal Scouts). That's just hilarious!

Your other sista is on her way home to see ya... we had a blast with her being here!

hugs,

Rock